get vista b2 else then ms bug reporting

If people have Vista beta 2 and they got it somewhere else then MS, so you know that would mean like from nntp or whatever, I'm curious as to if MS cares like for those people to submit bug reports and feedback using the feedback link and bug reporting tool? I know they don't like how people download it that way. I'm just wondering about how it's looked upon for feedback and bug reports in those cases.
Also how can you get on beta team with MS so you can offically test for MS and give them feedback plus bug reports?

If you received Windows Vista through the regular channels such as MSDN, Technet or as a Technical Tester you should report bugs using reporting tool. I don't think they have anyway of identifying you are running a legitimate copy or not. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta "AMDX2" wrote in message

If people have Vista beta 2 and they got it somewhere else then MS, so you know that would mean like from nntp or whatever, I'm curious as to if MS cares like for those people to submit bug reports and feedback using the feedback link and bug reporting tool? I know they don't like how people download it that way. I'm just wondering about how it's looked upon for feedback and bug reports in those cases.
Also how can you get on beta team with MS so you can offically test for MS and give them feedback plus bug reports?

"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message

If you received Windows Vista through the regular channels such as MSDN, Technet or as a Technical Tester you should report bugs using reporting tool. I don't think they have anyway of identifying you are running a legitimate copy or not. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta "AMDX2" wrote in message If people have Vista beta 2 and they got it somewhere else then MS, so you know that would mean like from nntp or whatever, I'm curious as to if MS cares like for those people to submit bug reports and feedback using the feedback link and bug reporting tool? I know they don't like how people download it that way. I'm just wondering about how it's looked upon for feedback and bug reports in those cases.
Also how can you get on beta team with MS so you can offically test for MS and give them feedback plus bug reports?

One thing that I do like is the ability in Vista to change your product key. I think this is terrific.
I'd love to find out how to apply to be on beta team or whatever so I would be able to help offically with the builds and so forth reporting bugs etc.

You can e-mail mchelp@microsoft.com or apply at http://beta.microsoft.com -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"AMDX2" wrote in message

"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message If you received Windows Vista through the regular channels such as MSDN, Technet or as a Technical Tester you should report bugs using reporting tool. I don't think they have anyway of identifying you are running a legitimate copy or not. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta "AMDX2" wrote in message If people have Vista beta 2 and they got it somewhere else then MS, so you know that would mean like from nntp or whatever, I'm curious as to if MS cares like for those people to submit bug reports and feedback using the feedback link and bug reporting tool? I know they don't like how people download it that way. I'm just wondering about how it's looked upon for feedback and bug reports in those cases.
Also how can you get on beta team with MS so you can offically test for MS and give them feedback plus bug reports?

One thing that I do like is the ability in Vista to change your product key. I think this is terrific.
I'd love to find out how to apply to be on beta team or whatever so I would be able to help offically with the builds and so forth reporting bugs etc.

As far as I know, there are no new testers being accepted. But you can register here: http://connect.microsoft.com/
As for unauthorized sources (anything outside of Microsoft)? Unreliable at best. While most may be true to original, some may be tampered by the unscrupulous person distributing unauthorized software. Without that assurance, bugs are unreliable. Further, I would question the integrity of anyone who feels the need to get software from an unauthorized distributor and report bugs or other issues. What else may they do that may corrupt the data?
Getting it is bad enough, but the potential for corrupting valuable data is to high.
-- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar http://www.dts-l.org
"AMDX2" wrote in message

If people have Vista beta 2 and they got it somewhere else then MS, so you know that would mean like from nntp or whatever, I'm curious as to if MS cares like for those people to submit bug reports and feedback using the feedback link and bug reporting tool? I know they don't like how people download it that way. I'm just wondering about how it's looked upon for feedback and bug reports in those cases.
Also how can you get on beta team with MS so you can offically test for MS and give them feedback plus bug reports?

what does mchelp@microsoft.com do? "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message

You can e-mail mchelp@microsoft.com or apply at http://beta.microsoft.com -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"AMDX2" wrote in message "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message If you received Windows Vista through the regular channels such as MSDN, Technet or as a Technical Tester you should report bugs using reporting tool. I don't think they have anyway of identifying you are running a legitimate copy or not. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta "AMDX2" wrote in message If people have Vista beta 2 and they got it somewhere else then MS, so you know that would mean like from nntp or whatever, I'm curious as to if MS cares like for those people to submit bug reports and feedback using the feedback link and bug reporting tool? I know they don't like how people download it that way. I'm just wondering about how it's looked upon for feedback and bug reports in those cases.
Also how can you get on beta team with MS so you can offically test for MS and give them feedback plus bug reports?

One thing that I do like is the ability in Vista to change your product key. I think this is terrific.
I'd love to find out how to apply to be on beta team or whatever so I would be able to help offically with the builds and so forth reporting bugs etc.

I wouldn't bother testing or submitting bugs if I got no access to the private ngs
While sipping a glass of green tea, I read that AMDX2 wrote in news:F2AD2AEA-4D76-4C46-8D98-10EF5D859B76@microsoft.com

"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message If you received Windows Vista through the regular channels such as MSDN, Technet or as a Technical Tester you should report bugs using reporting tool. I don't think they have anyway of identifying you are running a legitimate copy or not. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta "AMDX2" wrote in message If people have Vista beta 2 and they got it somewhere else then MS, so you know that would mean like from nntp or whatever, I'm curious as to if MS cares like for those people to submit bug reports and feedback using the feedback link and bug reporting tool? I know they don't like how people download it that way. I'm just wondering about how it's looked upon for feedback and bug reports in those cases.
Also how can you get on beta team with MS so you can offically test for MS and give them feedback plus bug reports?

One thing that I do like is the ability in Vista to change your product key. I think this is terrific.
I'd love to find out how to apply to be on beta team or whatever so I would be able to help offically with the builds and so forth reporting bugs etc.

Well... if you check option 3 on here http://www.vistabase.co.uk/welcome.php?bugreport - you'll be submitting feedback and error reporting messages (which are still very important) without having to type anything out :o) It's started automatically on first install - but just check that it's enabled :o)
-- Zack Whittaker » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk » MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org » Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared that up!
--: Original message follows :-- "D@annyBoy" <origin @ld @nnyboy @ gm@il.com> wrote in message

I wouldn't bother testing or submitting bugs if I got no access to the private ngs
While sipping a glass of green tea, I read that AMDX2 wrote in news:F2AD2AEA-4D76-4C46-8D98-10EF5D859B76@microsoft.com
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message If you received Windows Vista through the regular channels such as MSDN, Technet or as a Technical Tester you should report bugs using reporting tool. I don't think they have anyway of identifying you are running a legitimate copy or not. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta "AMDX2" wrote in message If people have Vista beta 2 and they got it somewhere else then MS, so you know that would mean like from nntp or whatever, I'm curious as to if MS cares like for those people to submit bug reports and feedback using the feedback link and bug reporting tool? I know they don't like how people download it that way. I'm just wondering about how it's looked upon for feedback and bug reports in those cases.
Also how can you get on beta team with MS so you can offically test for MS and give them feedback plus bug reports?

One thing that I do like is the ability in Vista to change your product key. I think this is terrific.
I'd love to find out how to apply to be on beta team or whatever so I would be able to help offically with the builds and so forth reporting bugs etc.

"Zack Whittaker" wrote in message

Well... if you check option 3 on here http://www.vistabase.co.uk/welcome.php?bugreport - you'll be submitting feedback and error reporting messages (which are still very important) without having to type anything out :o) It's started automatically on first install - but just check that it's enabled :o)
-- Zack Whittaker » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk » MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org » Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared that up!
--: Original message follows :-- "D@annyBoy" <origin @ld @nnyboy @ gm@il.com> wrote in message I wouldn't bother testing or submitting bugs if I got no access to the private ngs
While sipping a glass of green tea, I read that AMDX2 wrote in news:F2AD2AEA-4D76-4C46-8D98-10EF5D859B76@microsoft.com
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message If you received Windows Vista through the regular channels such as MSDN, Technet or as a Technical Tester you should report bugs using reporting tool. I don't think they have anyway of identifying you are running a legitimate copy or not. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta "AMDX2" wrote in message If people have Vista beta 2 and they got it somewhere else then MS, so you know that would mean like from nntp or whatever, I'm curious as to if MS cares like for those people to submit bug reports and feedback using the feedback link and bug reporting tool? I know they don't like how people download it that way. I'm just wondering about how it's looked upon for feedback and bug reports in those cases.
Also how can you get on beta team with MS so you can offically test for MS and give them feedback plus bug reports?

One thing that I do like is the ability in Vista to change your product key. I think this is terrific.
I'd love to find out how to apply to be on beta team or whatever so I would be able to help offically with the builds and so forth reporting bugs etc.

Zack, I've always wondered about in win xp the error reporting tool that comes up when an app crashes. It sends data back to MS. Do you or anyone else know what this does as in does MS actually look at these and fix them? Because many apps can and do crash that aren't made by MS, so I wonder if they do anything.

"AMDX2" wrote in message

"Zack Whittaker" wrote in message
Zack, I've always wondered about in win xp the error reporting tool that comes up when an app crashes. It sends data back to MS. Do you or anyone else know what this does as in does MS actually look at these and fix them? Because many apps can and do crash that aren't made by MS, so I wonder if they do anything.

Yes they do but they prioritize by how many of each thing they get.
-- Frank Saunders, MS-MVP, OE/WM Please reply in newsgroup.

Microsoft does use the data from Error Reporting. Errors are prioritized partly by frequency of occurrence.Microsoft researches the higher priority issues and determines a fix. Sometimes the fix is a 3rd party solution, and other times it ends up as a Microsoft patch.
Some people disable Error Reporting since they do not want to be bothered. They are also reducing the possibility a resolution will be found as well as their own possibility of locating a fix.
If there is a fix, within seconds of sending the error, another box will open stating there is a fix and where to go to whether it is Microsoft or the 3rd party. Sometimes the fix is a patch delivered by Windows Update, usually on computers where the user is not up to date.
-- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar http://www.dts-l.org
"AMDX2" wrote in message

Zack, I've always wondered about in win xp the error reporting tool that comes up when an app crashes. It sends data back to MS. Do you or anyone else know what this does as in does MS actually look at these and fix them? Because many apps can and do crash that aren't made by MS, so I wonder if they do anything.

It's Microsoft Connect helpdesk - they can help with all the Admin stuff relating to Microsoft Connect :o)
-- Zack Whittaker » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk » MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org » Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared that up!
--: Original message follows :-- "michael e dziatkowicz" wrote in message

what does mchelp@microsoft.com do? "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message You can e-mail mchelp@microsoft.com or apply at http://beta.microsoft.com -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"AMDX2" wrote in message "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message If you received Windows Vista through the regular channels such as MSDN, Technet or as a Technical Tester you should report bugs using reporting tool. I don't think they have anyway of identifying you are running a legitimate copy or not. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta "AMDX2" wrote in message If people have Vista beta 2 and they got it somewhere else then MS, so you know that would mean like from nntp or whatever, I'm curious as to if MS cares like for those people to submit bug reports and feedback using the feedback link and bug reporting tool? I know they don't like how people download it that way. I'm just wondering about how it's looked upon for feedback and bug reports in those cases.
Also how can you get on beta team with MS so you can offically test for MS and give them feedback plus bug reports?

One thing that I do like is the ability in Vista to change your product key. I think this is terrific.
I'd love to find out how to apply to be on beta team or whatever so I would be able to help offically with the builds and so forth reporting bugs etc.

I would. :) RTM is not here, so try and get in as much reports as possible, but the RTM arrives you are likely to see fixes and workarounds for issues you are encountering now. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"D@annyBoy" <origin @ld @nnyboy @ gm@il.com> wrote in message

I wouldn't bother testing or submitting bugs if I got no access to the private ngs
While sipping a glass of green tea, I read that AMDX2 wrote in news:F2AD2AEA-4D76-4C46-8D98-10EF5D859B76@microsoft.com
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message If you received Windows Vista through the regular channels such as MSDN, Technet or as a Technical Tester you should report bugs using reporting tool. I don't think they have anyway of identifying you are running a legitimate copy or not. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta "AMDX2" wrote in message If people have Vista beta 2 and they got it somewhere else then MS, so you know that would mean like from nntp or whatever, I'm curious as to if MS cares like for those people to submit bug reports and feedback using the feedback link and bug reporting tool? I know they don't like how people download it that way. I'm just wondering about how it's looked upon for feedback and bug reports in those cases.
Also how can you get on beta team with MS so you can offically test for MS and give them feedback plus bug reports?

One thing that I do like is the ability in Vista to change your product key. I think this is terrific.
I'd love to find out how to apply to be on beta team or whatever so I would be able to help offically with the builds and so forth reporting bugs etc.